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Yelling @ Cats · Sep 21, 2009, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Copenhagen Master

LOL dumb ... just dumb how about just adding monsters with skills that strip the SF it will stop all SC, nerfing the cons? RETARDED!!! OR better yet LEARN HOW TO FARM WITHOUT USING SF, 600 or 55!

Yes!

Let's change the game around a broken skill instead of fixing a broken skill.

A+ solution imo

Espadon · Sep 21, 2009, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by Siirius Black

I think that's the reason people ask to nerf the SC. It does not matter if its UW or FOW. They just want the extra money for the ectos, etc.

QFT. Many of the people screaming for SC nerf are have stockpiled on ectos are are hoping for a mechanic to jump up the rate so they can sell sell sell.

Ironically some of these people are SCers themselves.

Tijger · Sep 21, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by wilebill

Cons contribute to the economy. Nerfing skills is just bad practice.

I'd say, I'm making a fortune off feathers nowadays

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Originally Posted by Espadon

Ironically some of these people are SCers themselves.

Yes but they were doing it before the n00bs so thats ok

Cuilan · Sep 21, 2009, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by ElementalShadows

hey, you might as well kill 330 rits, 130 derv, 55necros, 330 ele's, oh why not all the farms cuz its IMPOSSIBLE. someone will always find a way to kill something by themselves repeated.

I haven't used those builds, but I don't believe they can do as many areas (including elite) as well or at all. It won't be another way so wide spread if something was actually done...

garethporlest18 · Sep 21, 2009, 07:18 AM // 07:18

They need to nerf SF, simply because it's OPed in PvE. What they also need to do is add in more ways to get party/alcohol and sweet tooth titles.

BlackSephir · Sep 21, 2009, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by nanase ren

LOL nerfing Essence of Celerity is the most retarded thing i have heard then u mite as well remove sons from the game its self.

Remove cons from the game? What a brilliant idea! I wonder why NO ONE thought of it sooner.
And only bad players need cons so...

Chieftain Heavyhand · Sep 21, 2009, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Removing cons bad idea.

Slowing down speed? How about a speed reduction like 75% slower movement while enchanted by Shadow Form?

keli · Sep 21, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by nanase ren

LOL nerfing Essence of Celerity is the most retarded thing i have heard then u mite as well remove sons from the game its self.

good idea seriously

remove all cons from the game

(this is not sarcasm)

~ Dan ~ · Sep 21, 2009, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Yeah, instead of nerfing a completely retarded, stupidly designed, overpowered problem skill, lets just change/nerf everything around it to avoid the real problem (this applies to the "change UW!!11!", "change monster skill barz!!1!1!!1one" threads too.

OP's like this guy shouldn't even be allowed to post.

killerbot3009 · Sep 21, 2009, 12:08 PM // 12:08

just incase some people dont remember anet did make some changes to SC's in the past like the essance, SF changes, also they had a month of enchant removal in plaines.

there must be a good reason for these changes, so for once i am against any more major nerfs. i do the occasional SC once a week, if i have the time, but its nice not to really need to practice the farm to do it efficiently, so i like it, and know lots of PvP players who do as well.

~ Dan ~ · Sep 21, 2009, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by killerbot3009

i am against any more major nerfs.

I'm for it. Why they designed a complete immunity skill is beyond me; regardless of whether it could be made permanent or not.

Stupid, stupid design. Remove it from the game, and if bad players complain they can't farm anymore, remove them from the game too.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 21, 2009, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Why not just make it so Shadow Form either stops spells or melee attacks, but not both?

Espadon · Sep 21, 2009, 02:35 PM // 14:35

guiz wats up

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Why not just make it so Shadow Form either stops spells or melee attacks, but not both?

someone say Obsidian Flesh

Chthon · Sep 21, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Hmmmm.....

Some people want to nerf SF but leave cons alone.
Some people want to nerf cons, but leave SF alone.

Let's split the difference:
"Shadow Form: Lose all consumable effects. For 5...18 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss, but you deal 33% less damage. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health."

The Arching Healer · Sep 21, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Three quick solutions.

Nerf SF --> Best solution.
Remove cons --> Possible but will result in even more QQ than ^
Add Skills --> Worst solution, takes too much time for the devs.

Ccat · Sep 21, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Hmmmm.....

Some people want to nerf SF but leave cons alone.
Some people want to nerf cons, but leave SF alone.

Let's split the difference:
"Shadow Form: Lose all consumable effects. For 5...18 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss, but you deal 33% less damage. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health."

you know they'd all just go /ele in Speed Clears and dump the roles for other professions that can't do with /ele right? Or they'd just cons themselves to death forcing sc to become even more powerful through secondary Assassins.

The solution is simple - the only reason SF is held that high is because it does things fast - so, another damage nerf should be in order. Gets rid of speed clears, and permas are just as good as any other tank tbh.

Perma is going to be nerfed sometime in the future, because imagine if they stayed with the same meta for 4 years? THAT is truly a stale game. As ridiculous as it sounds, nerfs are needed much.

Kumu Honua · Sep 21, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

This is the fix:

For 5...18 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss, but you deal 33% less damage. When Shadow Form ends, lose all but 5...41 Health. This skill is disabled for 45 seconds.

QueenofDeath · Sep 22, 2009, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Yes!

Let's change the game around a broken skill instead of fixing a broken skill.

A+ solution imo

The game was a game before SF ever existed so let's go back to that game and not worry about the broken skill.

DreamWind · Sep 22, 2009, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~

Stupid, stupid design. Remove it from the game, and if bad players complain they can't farm anymore, remove them from the game too.

LoL. Very nicely done.

Perfected Shadow · Sep 22, 2009, 06:56 AM // 06:56

How about:
Elite Stance. For 10...20 seconds enchantments on you cannot be removed and you move 33% faster. 5r, 5e
Kills the entire invincibility mechanic but gives mobility and protection for crit agility. Don't talk about 30 sec recharge shadowsteps when discussing mobility.

Crap suggestion or not, my point is that skills shouldn't get smiter's booned.